Occupy Wall Street

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Post by KFV » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:40 am

Ben wrote:Sure, I'm fine with that. Mainly because I didn't feel I was attacking or debating anyone here directly. I wouldn't even call myself a socialist. Nor a capitalist. If my opinions lean towards a socialist agenda in your mind, OK.
i don't think i'm finding you socialist in my mind, so much as it is that you've advocated some ideas which aren't inherently socialistic, i feel? i mean whether or not you "identify" as one doesn't really matter at the end of the day, all these terms are just broad assignments that never seem to fit that well for anybody, but i feel like most people loosely fall into either the socialist or capitalist baskets and like it's a useful distinction when it's applied correctly and not with the intent of summarising a person's views or anything but just identifying one aspect of their core value system... i'm not saying "you're a socialist, that's you" so much as i'm saying "if there's a spectrum from socialism to capitalism, you are closer to the former than the latter"
I really don't have any glaring qualms with you, Ben. I don't know enough on the intricacies of economics, financing and political sciences etc. to debase your opinions and approaches from the same vantage point that you and Rob use to go against each other. I have to go a more straight societal route and say when these apparent capitalistic freedoms have created such great divides as there seem to be at this moment in time, well... I can't help but feel there should be a balance of some sort, some level of equality. In my ignorance of economic systems that's the only road for me to take, which is essentially one of empathy. Even towards that crack addict and her baby.
yeah, i wasn't trying to say we had any qualms or disagreements or anything, i mean, obviously we disagree about government and stuff but i've never found it to have gotten personal or anything

anyway i'm not sure if you ended up watching the vid, but what schiff was arguing in it is that it's not capitalistic freedom that has created the lack of opportunity and such, but it's a bunged up non-capitalistic version of "capitalism" and it's government regulation that's causing the issues and such

anyway i don't really like the crack addicts i know, but i concede it might be possible there are crack addicted people who i would not hate or whatever, but i dunno


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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Post by Holymanm » Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:11 am

i met some middle aged women at joyce station about a month ago and i'm pretty sure they were some sort of addicted but they were very polite



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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Post by KFV » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:56 pm

jesus christ, the best one ever

free market anarchist absolutely SMOKES people who love control/hate freedom

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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Post by King Rob » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:15 am

Here we go again...



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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Post by Leopold » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:19 pm

So here is where the situation stands: the line of scrimmage has not moved an inch in over a year. Everyone knows (knew a long time ago) there is no convincing the other party. The argument is now way beyond irrelevant and THE ONLY THING AT STAKE IS YOUR YOUNG, FRAGILE EGOS. This causes people to do things that are not only against deux policy (trolling threads and/or starting threads whose sole purpose is to insult other members), but completely wastes my time. If you want to remain at the deux but have trouble maintaining yourself when it comes to mutually entrenched (i.e. pointless) political discussions, I would suggest not entering into them.


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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Post by Ben » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:21 pm

I support Leo on this, and very much like both of you guys.



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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Post by King Rob » Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:03 am

Political discussion is not merely about convincing the other guy that he should come around to your views. In fact, this is a fairly rare occurrence as you must know. It's offensive for you to imply that political discussions that don't follow your desired arc are somehow irrelevant and all about ego. I engage in political discourse in large part to sharpen my own understanding of the views of others (even I ultimately disagree) as well as to better understand my own views in values. Those are the greatest virtues of a good argument, from my perspective. I am pushing KFV to confront what I think are real problems in his thinking. I have not been entirely polite about it, though I only got a little nasty when he became dismissive of me altogether. In any case, I want KFV to come back at me with why I have it wrong, because then I will get a better sense of where he's coming from, and know whether I have misjudged or whether there are some holes in my thinking and views. He won't do this, and I'm perfectly happy to let it slide, though when he posts more political crap I feel I have every right to respond. Because he has essentially dismissed my legitimate responses, I am responding more provocatively than I would normally.

If you want to play the schoolmarm and cast veiled, limp wristed threats about banning me in my direction, than I don't have to hang around here. If you don't want me around unless I behave exactly in the extremely narrow uptight way that you deem appropriate, I can leave. I don't need to be scolded for impropriety, especially when you clearly don't treat everyone the same way when it comes to such impropriety.

Let me know when your latest power trip has passed and I'll be happy to visit again.



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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Post by Leopold » Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:11 am

later


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Re: Occupy Wall Street

Post by Meshuggeth » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:44 am

LOl, free market anarchism. Dumbest most self destructive shit ever.



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