i don't think i'm finding you socialist in my mind, so much as it is that you've advocated some ideas which aren't inherently socialistic, i feel? i mean whether or not you "identify" as one doesn't really matter at the end of the day, all these terms are just broad assignments that never seem to fit that well for anybody, but i feel like most people loosely fall into either the socialist or capitalist baskets and like it's a useful distinction when it's applied correctly and not with the intent of summarising a person's views or anything but just identifying one aspect of their core value system... i'm not saying "you're a socialist, that's you" so much as i'm saying "if there's a spectrum from socialism to capitalism, you are closer to the former than the latter"Ben wrote:Sure, I'm fine with that. Mainly because I didn't feel I was attacking or debating anyone here directly. I wouldn't even call myself a socialist. Nor a capitalist. If my opinions lean towards a socialist agenda in your mind, OK.
yeah, i wasn't trying to say we had any qualms or disagreements or anything, i mean, obviously we disagree about government and stuff but i've never found it to have gotten personal or anythingI really don't have any glaring qualms with you, Ben. I don't know enough on the intricacies of economics, financing and political sciences etc. to debase your opinions and approaches from the same vantage point that you and Rob use to go against each other. I have to go a more straight societal route and say when these apparent capitalistic freedoms have created such great divides as there seem to be at this moment in time, well... I can't help but feel there should be a balance of some sort, some level of equality. In my ignorance of economic systems that's the only road for me to take, which is essentially one of empathy. Even towards that crack addict and her baby.
anyway i'm not sure if you ended up watching the vid, but what schiff was arguing in it is that it's not capitalistic freedom that has created the lack of opportunity and such, but it's a bunged up non-capitalistic version of "capitalism" and it's government regulation that's causing the issues and such
anyway i don't really like the crack addicts i know, but i concede it might be possible there are crack addicted people who i would not hate or whatever, but i dunno